by Robert E. Hornberger, Esq | Apr 21, 2015
I have seen in my 15 years of experience as a divorce attorney, Long Island divorce cases often involve what are known as 4-Way Settlement Conferences among divorcing couples and their attorneys.
If you are considering retaining a Long Island divorce lawyer, you may have heard the term “4-Way Settlement Conference.” You are likely wondering what exactly this is and what role it plays in your divorce. While the term sounds scary, it is an extremely useful tool your attorney has in his or her pocket that will help keep you and your spouse out of litigation and away from the courts if done correctly. Therefore, the following are a few useful tips and suggestions to be aware of before sitting down for your first 4-Way Settlement Conference.
- Discuss Your Wants with Your Divorce Attorney Beforehand: the purpose of a 4-Way Settlement Conference is exactly that: a settlement. As I am sure your Long Island divorce attorney will advise you, “a good settlement is reached when neither party is happy”; that means that neither you nor your spouse received everything requested. Your divorce attorney is going to need to be aware of those items which are most valuable to you, whether they be child support, spousal maintenance or continuing to reside in the marital residence, so he or she can use other items as bargaining chips to get you closest to an ideal settlement.
- Be Prepared to Speak up If Necessary: as the client, you play an important role at a 4-Way Settlement Conference. In my 15 years of experience I have been party to settlement conferences where the attorneys took the lead and the client’s simply listened. However, I have also been party to settlement conferences where the clients did most, if not all, of the talking and negotiating between themselves. The attorneys were simply there to act as referees and advise their clients. We can never know which way a settlement conference will go beforehand. Therefore, make sure you are prepared to voice your opinions in the event your settlement conference becomes more “hands-on.”
- Listen and Respect the Desires of Your Spouse: I understand that you may find it particularly hard to care what your spouse wants right now. However, a 4-Way Settlement Conference will only be successful if you are both respectful of the other’s thoughts, feelings and desires. These conferences are collaborative in nature and if you enter the room ready to jump down your spouse’s throat it will be a waste of time.
- Your Attorney Is Advocating For You: prior to entering a settlement conference I tell my clients that they will inevitably walk away feeling as though I did not fight for their interests. This is natural. These conferences are not the time for your divorce attorney and your spouse’s divorce attorney to engage in a contest to determine who is better at their job. If you want your attorney to do this, a settlement conference will not prove fruitful. These conferences are a time to gauge your desires and your spouse’s desires so you both know where the other stands.
- Be Open to New and Different Ideas: your spouse’s attorney may suggest solutions to issues their neither you nor your attorney thought of. Rather than automatically rejecting these ideas simply because they came from your spouse or their divorce attorney, Long Islanders are encouraged to consider them. They may have the potential to solve problems while keeping everyone happy.
- You Will Walk Away Realizing How Close You Really are: many couples focus only on the big ticket items when going through their Nassau County or Suffolk County divorce – the children and the marital residence. However, a settlement conference will allow you to see that other issues, such as automobiles, joint banking accounts, retirement benefits or even the family pet are agreed upon. Knowing only two or three issues remain can alleviate a large amount of the stress involved in the divorce process.
A number of my clients are reluctant to agree to a 4-Way Settlement Conference with their spouse and their spouse’s divorce attorney. However, in my 15 years of experience I have found these conferences extremely useful. If the first conference is successful, we will likely schedule another to iron out any remaining issues. Before you know it, your Long Island Divorce will be settled without you ever having to step foot in a Nassau County or Suffolk County, Long Island Divorce courtroom.
Long Island residents who need more information about 4-Way Settlement Conferences should consult a local divorce attorney. Long Island’s Robert E. Hornberger, Esq., PC’s compassionate and experienced divorce attorneys can help you prepare you and ensure you, and your family’s future is protected. Call us today at 631-923-1910 for a complimentary, confidential consultation or fill out the short form on this page and we’ll get right back to you.
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by Robert E. Hornberger, Esq | Apr 14, 2015
As a divorce attorney on Long Island, I’ve noticed that it’s rare to find a person in today’s society who does not have an account with Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. In the last 10 years especially, social media has become a large part of our lives. Since attending a seminar on electronic discovery in matrimonial proceedings, I thought it was time to remind you of the potential ramifications your social media behavior on your divorce in Nassau County or Suffolk County. As you have likely heard, once you post something on the Internet, you can never get it back and your posts can be used against you in your divorce.
No Expectation of Privacy on Social Media
Because social media sites are public forums, you have little to no expectation of privacy concerning the pictures, statuses, comments or anything else you post on them. That girls’ weekend in Miami or hunting trip in Pennsylvania your friends posted photos of? Your spouse or his or her divorce attorney will see those. While you might not think these posts will have any effect on your case, you could be very wrong, especially in cases where there are tensions involving child support and/or spousal maintenance.
Think about this – your spouse continuously cries poverty and asserts he or she does not have the funds to pay the requisite amount of child support and the financial burden of supporting your children has fallen completely on your shoulders. A few weeks later while online you stumble upon pictures of your spouse driving a brand new BMW or standing outside a beautiful beach house in the Hamptons. How would you feel? Your spouse cannot afford to pay child support but they can afford these luxuries? You are completely mistaken if you think these pictures will not be used as evidence against him or her in your divorce proceeding. Your divorce attorney has a useful tool known as the subpoena in his or her pocket, which will allow the attorney to request records from a third party, including financial documents. And this goes both ways. Be careful what you post online because it can be used against you.
Emails Aren’t As Private As You Think
As a divorce attorney, Long Island’s Robert E. Hornberger, Esq. knows the most important point made at the seminar concerned the use of e-mail to communicate with your attorney. Communications between attorneys and clients that relate to the representation are privileged, but only if the information is communicated outside the presence of strangers. Before e-mail, it was simple to determine if communication was taking place outside the presence of strangers, however it has become a bit more complicated. “Snail mail”, as it has come to be known, is now rarely the sole form of communication used between two people. In fact, most of my clients request I communicate with them via e-mail about important matters.
While email is quicker, what people often do not realize, and what I feel it is my job to point out, are the privacy issues involved. First, you should never use an employer-provided e-email address to communicate with your Long Island divorce attorney, even if you are self-employed. Because your employer, and generally other employees, can access these accounts and servers, it creates the potential risk of losing the attorney/client privilege.
Additionally, do not e-mail your Divorce Attorney from a computer, iPad, or smartphone you share with your spouse or anyone else. If your child plays with the device, make sure it is necessary to enter a separate password before you can access your e-mail on the device. When creating a password, do not use the same word or combination you used during the course of your marriage as this would be easy for your spouse to figure out.
Don’t Let ‘The Cloud’ Rain on Your Parade
Online computer back-up software has become an important part of many people’s lives. Even though most of us don’t understand exactly what “the cloud” is, it has become ingrained in our lives as a way to protect our important files, be they documents, photographs, video or music. With your files backed up to “the cloud”, you no longer need to worry about external hard-drives or transferring all your pictures to a CD-ROM. However, this issue of online backup presents a great concern for Nassau County and Suffolk County divorce attorneys. If your device is hooked up to this type of server, everything — including your emails — may be transferred to it. Other devices connected to your WiFi account may also be able to access the server, in turn gaining access to your otherwise private communications.
As a Divorce Attorney, Long Island’s Robert E. Hornberger Esq. emphasizes that the most valuable advice I can give you regarding your divorce and the Internet is simply “do not do it”. If you need to communicate with your divorce attorney via e-mail, do so from a secure, private account. And remember, nothing on the Internet is every really deleted. Once it’s “out there”, it exists somewhere, even if you delete it.
Have Questions About the Internet & Your Divorce? Your Long Island Divorce Attorney Can Help
Are you concerned about things you may have posted online and how they might affect your divorce? Or, have you seen something your spouse posted and you wonder if it could help your case? The experienced and compassionate divorce attorney, Long Island’s Robert E. Hornberger, Esq., PC can help. Give us a call at 631-923-1910. We’ll do our best to ensure you’re legally protected during your divorce and set you up for the best possible future going forward.
Our 41-page “Guide to New York Divorce: What You Need to Know Before Hiring a Divorce Lawyer in New York” written by an experienced Divorce Attorney Long Island’s Robert E. Hornberger, Esq. provides you with real information on the divorce process and the laws it rests upon in the state of New York. This book will help give you a solid foundation upon which you can begin the process of making your family’s, life better. Download your Free Guide to New York Divorce here.
by Robert E. Hornberger, Esq | Mar 24, 2015
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by Robert E. Hornberger, Esq | Sep 9, 2014
Litigating your Long Island divorce can become a long, costly drawn-out affair, so most good Long Island divorce attorneys will attempt to help you avoid the time and money associated with litigation in Nassau County or Suffolk County court through alternative divorce methods such as Divorce Mediation or Collaborative Divorce.
However, for many couples, you and your partner are simply unable to come to an agreement through alternative dispute resolution, making litigation inevitable. In these cases, one spouse may be worried about how they will be able to pay for an attorney, especially if their spouse has significantly more income. There is some good news for you as there is a remedy available to you to help mitigate for the costs and fees you have had to pay your attorney throughout the process.
Thankfully, one does not have to be indigent to be awarded counsel fees during a divorce proceeding. This is not akin to being granted the right to counsel as you would in a criminal matter, rather the main purpose is to avoid one spouse being taken advantage of by the money and power of the other. It simply seeks to even the playing field as much as possible during a difficult time.
How Are Counsel Fees Awarded?
New York’s Domestic Relations Law, which is what is used in Nassau County and Suffolk County courts, was amended in 2010. Prior to those amendments, the party seeking counsel fees had the burden of establishing that justice required he or she be awarded said fees. With the relevant amendments however, a presumption has been created that the less monied spouse is awarded counsel fees. In order to satisfy this burden, both parties to the action are directed to file affidavits detailing the financial agreement between the party and the attorney, including any retainer, hourly fee charged, and amounts paid or due, and a statement of net worth which details the party’s income and all expenses. While parties are entitled to counsel fees for expert witnesses, it does not seem that the presumption of granting such to the less monied spouse is applicable to those fees.
For Which Actions Are Counsel Fees Available?
New York’s Domestic Relations Law § 237 provides that counsel fees may be awarded in an action for an annulment, separation, divorce, or certain actions relating to marriages or divorces obtained outside of the jurisdiction of New York. As always, this is not an exhaustive list and you should check with your Long Island divorce attorney to determine if you may apply for counsel fees for your court action. Additionally, this presumption is applicable to any action brought for modification of a separation agreement or judgment of divorce; which can include child support or spousal maintenance payments.
Is This Available After the Final Judgment?
The presumption that the non-monied spouse is entitled to counsel fees is applicable only to relief requested during the course of the litigation. Therefore, you must file your application before the final judgment of the action.
How are Awards for Counsel Fees Determined?
Notwithstanding the presumption of awarding counsel fees to the less-monied spouse, the monied spouse has the opportunity to rebut that presumption. The court will look to the income of both parties, the necessity of the legal services, whether one party has dragged his or her feet and caused counsel fees to be greater than necessary, how complex the litigation was, and whether the amount requested is reasonable. Therefore, while the presumption placed in Domestic Relations Law § 237 favors the less monied spouse in the award of counsel fees, the monied spouse can point to a variety of factors to defend against this.
What Does This Mean for Me?
If you are the less-monied spouse it is important to submit your statement of net worth and all relevant affidavits proving your financial relationship with your Long Island divorce attorney. Failing to do so will cause the court to look disfavorably upon you and may affect the court in its decision on whether or not to award you counsel fees.
On the other hand, if you are the monied spouse and seek to avoid paying a large sum of counsel fees to your partner, you should keep track of all legal action taken by your partner. While it is rare that an attorney will file motions or drag his or her feet just to harass or annoy the opponent, it is not unheard of for a client to refuse to reasonably cooperate. While negative for your partner, this may be beneficial to you as courts will look at this as a reason to not award counsel fees.
Need Help? Contact the Experienced and Compassionate Long Island Divorce Attorneys at Robert E. Hornberger, Esq., PC
The experienced and compassionate Long Island divorce attorneys at Robert E. Hornberger, Esq., PC work with their clients to keep their fees as reasonable as possible. We consult with our clients to investigate alternative dispute resolution programs that can keep your costs, and stress, as low as possible. We also offer excellent financing programs to ensure you can afford the best representation available. Should you need assistance of the courts, we are here to help prepare your case for Nassau County or Suffolk County courts. Contact us today at 631-910-1910 for a free consultation to discuss the specifics of your case and how we can help you with the best, most affordable representation.
by Robert E. Hornberger, Esq | Jul 29, 2014
As a Divorce Lawyer on Long Island, I have helped many individuals through the process of divorce litigation and many couples through the process of divorce mediation or collaborative divorce law in order to settle their divorce cases. While many individuals or couples getting divorced believe the only option is to fight to win or prove a point, eventually most divorce cases settle.
In my experience, I have observed the following common keys to settlement of divorce cases on Long Island:
- Know Your Goals: In a divorce case, obtaining a divorce is always a general goal, but, you also need to determine your specific goals for yourself and your family. A goal isn’t just, “I want the house,” it is more abstract than that. You need to understand the “Whys” of your goals. I want the house can mean “I want a sense of security,” or, “I don’t want our children to be forced to move.” Goals are very rarely about objects or things. Goals are statements about our desires. You will be best served to write down your goals for yourself and your children because if you don’t, it is just a thought. Writing it down gives your thoughts meaning once you understand the “Whys” behind it. Once you have written your goals down, you can work with your divorce lawyer to develop a plan to achieve those goals. There are many methods to achieving your divorce on Long Island and understanding your goals and objectives will go a long way toward determining the best, most practical method of achieving your divorce. Some goals are better achieved through divorce litigation, but, if you and your spouse share common goals regarding your children, then, settlement is probably your best option. If you and your spouse can agree upon your goals, you might be best served with an alternative dispute resolution process like divorce mediation or collaborative divorce.
- Know the Law: Knowing the law is key to formulating a good settlement. Clients often ask me, “How do I know whether a settlement is good without knowing the law?” The law is an important factor in developing a settlement, but, it should not be the deciding factor. What I mean is that if you want the resolution of your divorce case to mirror “the law,” then you can simply have a trial and let the judge make the decision. The judge is bound to follow the law, but when you and your spouse negotiate your own settlement, you can pick and choose what aspects of the law to follow and others from which you want to deviate in order to achieve the best resolution for you and your family. On Long Island, divorce cases are governed by the New York State Domestic Relations Law.
There are 3 Main Elements to Resolve:
The main principle which governs custody and visitation is the best interests of the children. Support of children is governed by the Child Support Standards Act which provides a formulaic way of calculating child support. There is no formula for calculating spousal support upon the conclusion of a divorce case it is governed by 20 statutory factors. Finally, distribution of marital assets and marital debts are governed by the Equitable Distribution Law which basically guides courts in determining a fair distribution of assets and debts. Fair does not necessarily mean equal.
- Know How to Compromise: A wise Long Island Divorce judge often told litigants that a good settlement in a divorce case was like dining at a fine French restaurant: the meal tasted good, but on the way home, you need to stop for a sandwich because you are still hungry. A good settlement is much the same: some aspects taste good to you, but, you are still craving more. If your spouse feels the same way, then, the settlement is probably fair. In other words, no one gets everything they want from a fair divorce settlement. You have to give a little to get a little. A good settlement would not leave one spouse completely happy and the other upset and feeling taken advantage of. When both individuals feel they got what they needed, but not everything they wanted, then the settlement is probably fair. Another way of saying this is you are probably not going to get everything you want. You may be thinking “Why is my divorce attorney saying this?” I tell clients that I am saying this because it is true. If you both want the house or custody of your children, someone is going to lose, but, if you settle and compromise, you might find a way for both of you get something you want without feeling as though you have lost everything.
- Know When it is Time to Move On: Divorce is not easy and brings with it a wide range of emotions. Sometimes individuals fight during a divorce to prove a point to the other side. But, standing on your principles can come at a cost. The practice of divorce law is an hourly practice just for this reason. Your divorce lawyer has no idea how long your divorce case will take to resolve. One hour, 10 hours, 100 hours, etc. – it all depends upon you and your spouse and how willing you are to negotiate. Also, the Divorce Courts on Long Island are over worked; there are simply not enough judges for the number of divorce cases waiting to be heard. So, if you wish to battle to prove a point, plan on spending 10s of thousands of dollars and possibly years of your life. If your divorce case lasts two years and you live to be 80 years old, that means you would have spent 2.5% of your life fighting against one individual. Is that how you want to spend your life. Life is too short, let your divorce lawyer help you make calculated decisions so that you can find a fair compromise and settle your case so that you don’t spend your future and needless years of your life fighting in court. Also, if your divorce lawyer seems more interested in fighting with your spouse or the other attorney than you are, it is possible that your divorce lawyer is looking to play your emotions into a long drawn out divorce case to make more money. Don’t become a victim in that regard either. Your divorce lawyer is supposed to be working for your interests, not his or her own. Always remember that you are allowed to change divorce lawyers during your case if you are not happy.
Practical Insight from a Long Island Divorce Lawyer
I hope that sharing the insight I have gained as a practicing divorce lawyer on Long Island helps you reach a fair and amicable settlement of your divorce case. If you have any questions regarding the unique circumstances of your divorce case please contact our office at 631-923-1910 to schedule your free consultation.
by Robert E. Hornberger, Esq | Jul 22, 2014
In your research and inquiry into New York divorce law applicable to your Long Island divorce, it is inevitable that you have stumbled across the words “annulment of a marriage”. You may have several questions, including:
- What’s the difference between a divorce and an annulment?
- Am I eligible for an annulment?
- Why would I want an annulment?
In a nutshell, rather than simply ending the marriage, an annulment has the legal effect of declaring the marriage null and void as if the marriage never happened in the first place.
What are the Grounds for an Annulment?
New York’s Domestic Relations Law provides multiple grounds for an annulment of marriage, and a few are discussed below. The first important point to note is that some marriages are “void” while others are “voidable.” A marriage that is void is void from its inception and therefore is illegitimate. Because this marriage was never valid, it does not require an action for an annulment to be declared void, but most divorce attorneys recommend that one be commenced regardless. A marriage that is voidable on the other hand is a valid marriage that may be declared null and void with court action. However, as with any time the court is involved, if your marriage is “voidable” the court has the discretion to deny the action for annulment.
Marriages that are void at inception
- Marriages with grounds in incest. An incestuous marriage is one between an ancestor and descendant, siblings, whether they are full or half siblings, and an aunt and nephew or an uncle and niece. While this marriage is not only void, the parties involved may face a fine or prison sentence upon solemnizing of the marriage.
- Marriages by a person whose husband or wife by a former marriage is still living. In other words, this portion of New York’s Domestic Relations Law seeks to prevent bigamy. If your husband or wife was already married when you entered your marriage, it has the effect of making your marriage, the subsequent union, void.
Marriages that are voidable
- One party is under the age of legal consent. In New York, the legal age of consent is 18. If one party is under 18 at the time of the marriage, the court has discretion to declare the marriage void. However, the court will not look solely to the age of the parties but rather, it will consider all relevant facts and circumstances of the marriage.
- One party could not consent to the marriage due to lack of understanding. Both parties to the marriage must be fully capable of understanding what it means to “be married” and the consequences of entering such a relationship.
- One party’s physical disability causes him or her to be unable to engage in sexual relations. This is only applicable if the physical condition is incurable. A party cannot file for an annulment based upon a temporary condition that temporarily interferes with martial relations. Furthermore, the party seeking the annulment could not have been aware of this condition upon the marriage, and if they were, they must have been under the assumption that it was curable.
- One party consented to the marriage under conditions of duress, fraud, or force. The party asserting that his consent to the marriage was obtained fraudulently or through force or duress must bring this action. Furthermore, a court will not grant an annulment on these grounds if it is shown that the parties previously co-habitated as husband and wife.
- One party has suffered from an incurable mental illness for at least five years.
What are the Effects of an Annulment?
If you are granted an annulment, the subject marriage will be declared null and void. However, in regards to child support and the division of marital property, your rights are the same. You may still be awarded maintenance and child support, your property is still divided pursuant to equitable distribution, and you can still enter into child custody and visitation agreements.
Annulments Are Not Easy. Seek Professional Help from an Experienced Long Island Divorce Lawyer
As you can see, the grounds for annulment are much more specific and difficult to prove than the grounds for a divorce. Therefore, if you feel your marriage may fall into one of the above categories and are curious about further differences between divorce and annulment, it is important that you speak with your divorce attorney so he or she can properly advise you of the next step to take. Contact the experienced and compassionate divorce lawyers at Hornberger Verbitsky, P.C. at 631-923-1910 for a free consultation to discuss your case.
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by Robert E. Hornberger, Esq | Jul 15, 2014
Maybe you were the one who wanted the Long Island divorce, or maybe you have come to terms with the fact that you and your spouse are not capable of reconciliation and you want to begin to move forward with your life. If you wait for your divorce to be finalized, you may feel that your life is on pause for months or years. You also consider the fact that dating would inevitably boost your self-confidence and distract you from the negative aspects of the situation at hand. So, you have decided to consider dating while the divorce action is pending, but you are not sure if that is the best idea given the circumstances.
What are Some Advantages of Dating While Going Through a Divorce?
- Negate feelings of loneliness: whether your marriage lasted 5 years or 35 years, you were rarely alone during that time period. It is difficult to have constant companionship and someone to watch television with on a rainy Sunday afternoon, and then suddenly find yourself lying on the couch alone. Finding a new partner, so long as you are both looking for the same type of relationship, will likely fill a void in that area of your life.
- Meeting new people: for the duration of your marriage, you and your spouse likely socialized with the same group of people. Unless one of you got a new job or joined a new group or activity, it is unlikely that you ventured out into different social groups as a couple. When you begin dating, you will meet this person’s friends and acquaintances, and therefore your social horizons will expand.
- Enjoy getting involved in new activities: similar to rarely meeting new people, it is likely that you and your spouse both knew the activities the other enjoyed, and that is how you both spent your time together. While dating, each person you date has different interests, and you may find yourself at an art museum one day and white water rafting the next. It is important to be open to trying new things, because even if the relationship does not work out, you may find an interest you never knew you had.
What are Some Disadvantages of Dating While Going Through a Divorce?
- Emotions: this one seems to be self-explanatory. Regardless of whether you wanted the divorce or not, a divorce is a major life change, bound to carry with it a range of emotions. Remember your first break up, likely your high school or college sweetheart, and how afterwards it was so easy to latch on to the next person who looked in your direction. You are likely going through a lot of those same feelings right now during your divorce. If you do decide to date, make it a point to realize that the most realistic cause of anything you feel toward this new partner is likely transference of your feelings toward your ex-spouse. Do not jump too quickly into love, or on the other hand, mistrust. You need to enter the dating world with a clean slate, emotionally and mentally.
- Child custody agreements: if you and your ex-spouse are battling over child custody, dating may not be in your best interest until the divorce is settled. Your ex-spouse may use your dating activity as leverage against you to support his or her claim as to why you should not be granted custody, arguing that he or she is uncomfortable with you having strange people around your children. If you do decide to date, you must be sure to be open and candid about the situation, and be sure that nothing you are doing makes your ex-spouse uncomfortable with regards to the children
- Your children: a divorce is difficult not only on you, but on your children as well. They are going to need more attention and support than ever before right now. Everyone is excited at the beginning of a new relationship and it is easy to forget about other responsibilities. If you are the type of person who tends to put a relationship before everything else, dating my not be in the best interest of your children at this time.
The Decision Is Up To You, But Your Long Island Divorce Attorney Can Help
As always, the decision as to whether or not you will date while your divorce is pending is completely personal, and each situation is different. If you do decide to date and you have a child custody agreement pending, you should discuss the potential implications of this with your divorce attorney, who will be able to give you the best guidance in this area. Contact the caring and compassionate divorce attorneys at Hornberger Verbitsky, P.C. for a complimentary consultation at 631-923-1910.